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 ........คุณจะได้รู้เบื้องหลังว่าทำไม DLP Projector ของ Samsung (Joe Kane's projector)...................................
... ที่งาน CEDIA 2006 จึงฉายโชว์คู่กับ Toshiba XA-1 โดยไม่มีแม้แต่เงาของ Samsung BDP-1000..........................













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http://ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/506marantzvp11s1/

Marantz VP-11S1 Single-chip DLP Projector

Shane C. Buettner, July, 2006


1080p display devices have been proliferating rapidly, and it's been bit of a surprise that DLP front projection, which has led the charge of digital displays for years, has been late to the party. Not anymore.

 

We saw static displays of single-chip 1080p DLPs at CES '06, and we've been expecting to see the first working native 1080p DLP front projectors at CEDIA. But Marantz blew all that away in May when it had their video guru Dan Miller contact me and ask if I'd like to receive the first review unit of their VP-11S1 1080p projector, which is available now at $20K ($23K with the optional long throw lens).

I responded to that question as any sane man would: "Dan, have you still got my shipping address handy?"

From a Long Line
Marantz has been a big fish in the digital front projection pond for years now. The VP-12S3 once won a Golden Eye award at The Perfect Vision based on my review, and at my enthusiastic urging. I recently reviewed the VP-12S4 for UAV and liked it so much I threw down all the scratch I earned writing the review (and then some) to buy the review sample. Fellow UAV scribe Robert Deutsch bought and has lived happily ever after with a VP-12S3. So, Marantz has major street cred in this corner of the world wide web.

In terms of looks, designs and features, the VP-11S1 has much in common with the VP-12S4, along with a few significant departures I'll enumerate. First, and most obvious, the 11S1 looks exactly like the S4 on the outside. The 11S1 will be available in the same black/charcoal finish that my S4 is decked out with, but this review sample was in a cream color that I can't say I like nearly as well. But the bottom line is that I can't tell the difference between the two projectors looking at them.

The 11S1 has two HD-compatible component video inputs, and more importantly, two HDMI inputs. Of course, now that HD DVD and Blu-ray are on the scene we need three HDMI inputs to cover both disc formats and our HD set-top boxes, right? In a really cool touch, a switch turns on a little light in the recessed bay at the projector's back panel so you can eyeball your physical connections in the dark. Smart! Telescopic feet on the front level the rig if it's used on a tabletop.

As with the S4 the top of the projector sports the (manual) vertical lens shift adjustment, plus buttons that allow the user access to all the projector's menus, features and functions, including the projector's built-in test patterns. Complete control. Zoom and focus are also manual, and adjusted on the barrel of the lens. The lens assembly is a high-end job from Konica/Minolta. This has been true of all previous Marantz projectors, and from the beginning right up to the VP-11S1 remains one of this projector line's great strengths.

If I'm a bit ambivalent about the new remote Marantz has designed for the VP-11S1 it's only because I liked the more compact one that came with its previous projectors a lot. But if this sounds like a nitpick it's because I can conjure up so few complaints of any kind for this rig. Nevertheless, the new remote is excellent in its own right, and if all remotes were this good I'd be a happy man and reviewer. It's taller and thinner than the old one, has more backlit buttons, and the backlighting is activated by a button on the side that's easy to find in the dark. It also offers direct access to (literally) all the important adjustments.

What Did They Build In There?
Perhaps one of the reasons Marantz got to the market so quickly with this projector is that in the VP-12S4 it basically built a 1080p projector in a 720p projector's clothes. Gennum VXP video processing is used in the VP-11S1 as it was in the S4, but there's now much more processing horsepower available from the newest Gennum chip, the GF9351. Key among its attributes is that it's a 10-bit solution from end to end that performs all processing of 1920x1080 signals at full resolution, with no cross-conversion or down-conversion of any kind. In the VP-12S4 1080i/p signals are converted to 720p only after all of the deinterlacing and processing is completed. With the VP-11S1 1080i and 1080p signals stay at full resolution straight to the DMD.

The VP-11S1 is a single-chip DLP engine with a 6x color wheel. In previous Marantz projectors the image was optically filtered to hit accurate color points, and Marantz's color palette has always struck me as one of the best and most natural I've seen from a digital display. They had a cool acronym for their filtering system too, which was ORCA, for Optically Reproducing Color Accurately." The ORCA filter has now been designed into new, customized filters in the color wheel itself, which according to Marantz further improves filter accuracy.

Marantz has also moderated the projector's light output, changing its f5 iris setting to a more aggressive f6 (the more open f3 setting is retained as well and subjectively seems to have a little more horsepower).

The balance of light output, blacks and contrast ratio, as you'll read, are right in line with Marantz's previous efforts, which is to say simply excellent. However, I should point out that I use an 80-inch wide screen. While this projector clearly has the pixel count to allow for bigger screens, the light output would make me hesitant to recommend them. This doesn't bother me, because even in my 24.5' x 17.5' room an 80-inch screen is a perfect combination of size and punch. But while there are many factors that go into making a great picture, light output is a very important one (within reason—the light output in the best movie houses generally ranges between 12 and 16 foot-Lamberts). It is determined not only by the capability of the projector but also by the size and gain of the screen. All projector reviews are powerfully influenced by the characteristics of the screen, and you should never assume that the results described in a review would apply directly to a much larger one.

The VP-11S1 has the same broad set of memories and adjustments, as the VP-12S4 so I'll refer you to that review to run down the basic functions and features of this projector. The adjustment and memories offer more options than anyone is likely to ever need, and yet because the menus aren't jammed up with superfluous features billed as "enhancements" that actually degrade image quality, it's a simple pleasure in day-to-day usage. Some minor differences include much smaller increments and therefore finer adjustments on many of the controls, including contrast and brightness, which is a big plus.

Another small and welcome change is that the "Standard" gamma curve is actually 2.2, according to Marantz, which is as much of a standard as exists with gamma. This calmed down some of the higher key mid-scale brightness levels that I noticed with the gamma curve in the VP-12S4 and TJN verified in his measurements. I liked the gamma curve on this projector better and hope Marantz offers a firmware update that allows me to duplicate it on my VP-12S4.

One oddity, perhaps confined to this pre-production sample is that to see information encoded below black via HDMI I had to set the Black level menu setting to "Expand." This isn't the case with the VP-12S4. I can't say that I saw any effect either way.

I made the point earlier of calling this a native 1080p projector, and that's a reference to that fact that all of the 1080p rear projectors I'm aware of derive 1920x1080 on the screen by performing fast horizontal pixel shifting with a 960x1080 chip. This technique is often called "Wobulation," which is actually an HP trademark. Texas Instruments calls it Smooth Picture. We've certainly seen excellent results from such RPTVs, but there's no such sleight of hand here. The VP-11S1's Digital Micromirror Device has a full 1920x1080 pixel matrix.

Performance
I used the VP-11S1 mostly via HDMI with Toshiba's HD-XA1 HD DVD player and my DirecTV HD TiVo as sources, except where noted.

Although the unit I received was technically a pre-production sample, with two exceptions it seemed like someone simply slipped a VP-12S4 in my system that had more pixels and a few other updates. Operationally this projector was just a slick and glitch-free as my reference S4. I'll knock the exceptions out now and get back to the accolades.


One exception is that while I didn't measure the two, the fan in the VP-11S1 sounds louder than the S4, and well, it stinks. It's interesting to make this comment as a passing, non-judgmental observation instead of a criticism! But it's true. In addition to running hot, the VP-11S1 sample I reviewed has a faint burning smell that panicked me in the first days with the unit. It smelled like burning electronics, but the unit worked without hitch or glitch for two months and change here before I sent it to TJN for its final set of measurements.

With that out of the way, here comes the love. The VP-11S1 is simply one of the very best projectors I've had in my home,. It looks terrific with any source material, and especially dazzles with the best 1920x1080 HD feeds. The resolution is the most tack-sharp, crisp and dimensional I've seen from front projection, and whenever the program material is up to it this projector consistently lands in that "looking through a window" level of pop.

And really, the only projectors I've seen that compete are Faroudja's 1080p D-ILA and Sony's Qualia 004. While the Marantz isn't cheap at $20K, and is significantly more expensive than the nearly identical VP-12S4 (only a million pixels or so separate the two!), consider that the Faroudja and Sony rigs I describe above, which fall short of the VP-11S1's performance in some key respects, cost much more than the Marantz. The Qualia 004 was $30K when I reviewed it and the Faroudja rig costs over $40K.

Firing up the VP-11S1 the NBA playoffs were one of the first things I watched, on ABC in 720p. The picture was simply and purely amazing. Deep vision into the crowds, the mesh holes in the players' jerseys, the fine textures in Pat Riley's tailored suits, it was all there, in three dimensions with as much "you are there" as you can get without dropping a few thousand bucks a head to sit courtside. And while this seems like gearhead minutiae, it's not. The drama actually heightens when you can see few new beads of sweat pop out on Dwayne Wade's forehead as he prepares to ice another critical pair of free throws!

Although in theory the ABC broadcast's 720p resolution means that this image shouldn't look any better on the VP-11S1 than with the native 720p VP-12S4, my initial impression is that it certainly did. The picture looked a little brighter, and a little punchier, as though the blacks were a little deeper too. Two things are going on here. One, the Gennum processing is the real deal. There appears to be no loss of resolution whatsoever upconverting 720p to the VP-11S1's native 1080p, which means the processing is just superb and essentially lossless. While I'm mostly a movie watcher, even poorer standard-def feeds like Comedy Central from DirecTV look surprisingly watchable on this projector. It's still not great due to the inherent poor quality of the signal, but the VP-11S1's Gennum powered processing not only does no further damage, it makes lower quality feeds less painful than I've seen on other rigs.

The second thing is that the 2.2 Standard gamma curve is new (the VP-12S4's gamma is closer to 2.0) and I think this had a lot to do with my initial impression that the VP-11S1 has better blacks and contrast than the VP-12S4. Certainly, the 11S1 is right in there with the VP-12S4 subjectively, which is to say its blacks and contrast are among the best I've seen from any projector that's not a CRT. But the 11S1 unequivocally looks a bit punchier with virtually all material, and with movies looks yet another increment more film-like, and a little less like video than even the excellent VP-12S4. I'll be interested to what TJN's measurements say, if the actual contrast measures better than the S4 or if the new gamma curve is just making it seem so.

The CRT reference above is a little bit of a backhanded swipe, by the way. Projectors like the VP-11S1 are so good with blacks and contrast that the specter of the CRT needn't be raised at all. There wasn't a single scene I watched in any movie that had me wishing for deeper blacks and better contrast. Even sparsely lit films with lots of dark scenes on HD DVD, such as Million Dollar Baby and Unforgiven (yeah, Clint likes natural lighting, which is to say he likes to shoot in the dark!) revealed just the right amount of information and obscured the right amount of information.

These excellent blacks and shadow detail are in fact what separate this projector in my estimation, from the Sony and Faroudja projectors referenced above. Even "TV shows" in HD like HBO's The Sopranos and have lots of dim, naturally lit scenes that depend as much on what you don't see as what you do. Neither of those projectors performs as well in such scenes as the VP-11S1, and compared to the Qualia the Marantz maintains better subjective contrast in scenes in which a mix of very light and very dark share the screen. The Faroudja looks awesome under most circumstances, but really doesn't have the blacks to compete on dark imagery.

While it's certainly a plus for the Faroudja and Sony projectors to be based on three-chip technology, with no color wheel, I can't honestly say the 11S1's color wheel ever intruded on the viewing experience. I've considered myself medium-sensitive to rainbow artifacts, but with this projector they just weren't there. Not that I could ever detect anyway. This projector is the single-chip champ in that regard.

Also, while the Faroudja rig does an excellent job of making standard –def DVD look remarkably detailed and film-like converted up to 1080p, HD is much more prevalent now on satellite and, in my house, on disc with HD DVD. The Marantz more consistently provides jaw-dropping, razor-sharp imagery with 1080i HD.

In fact, this projector had me eating some words. At HE 2006 I told some well-meaning enthusiasts that the best 720p projectors are remarkably adept with 1080i material, and that the increased resolution of 1080p isn't as overwhelming in practice as the sheer numbers suggest.

Well, folks, I'm taking that one back. Not only did the remarkable detail and dimensionality of the best HD DVD transfers pop more on this 1080p projector, it was a much better tool for discerning the differences between the very good HD DVD transfers and the great HD DVD transfers. That "next level" in quality, the one that separates Apollo 13 or Serenity from The Perfect Storm or the The Fugitive is exactly where this projector takes you. And it is clearly another level up from 720p

In short, although HD is generally excellent, your HD needs to be at its very best to distinguish itself here. And that goes for the camera operators too! If you're a smidge out of focus the people who own this projector will see it quite clearly!

I've also been recording HD from DirecTV via TiVo and comparing those broadcasts to HD DVDs when possible. The VP-11S1 reveals any differences that exist with clinical precision. Compression artifacts, motion artifacts, or just plain differences in clarity and sharpness, the VP-11S1 captures them clearly. This is a powerful reference tool in evaluating the quality of HD sources comparatively to one another.

And this is not to say that the VP-11S1's performance is any less stellar with DVDs, either at 480p or upcoverted to 1080i by Toshiba's HD-XA1. It's just that DVD is a lot harder to watch now that HD DVD is on the scene, with new discs trickling out every week. Via HDMI the Marantz looks simply stunning with sources from 480p and up. If HD isn't yet a steady part of your viewing diet, don't be concerned that this projector won't offer benefits with your legacy video.

I watched mostly HDMI, and was rewarded with better picture quality. 480p, 720p and 1080i/p via HDMI were, as you can see in the Measurements section, all essentially perfect. All the resolution that goes in comes out. With component video at 1080i there's just a little drop in clarity and sharpness compared to HDMI, and 720p is noticeably softer in the top frequencies. 480i/p via component disappointed me though. 480i/p component were noticeably softer and noisier, and the measurements back up that impression. Hopefully this is a pre-production anomaly. 480i/p via component aren't the connection option of choice anymore, but I'd still like to see better performance from a projector in this price range.

Another thing worth mentioning is that while the Gennum video processing solution used here is 10-bit from end to end, the gamma processing that' part of TI's 1080p DMD is spec'd at 12-bit. Perhaps as a result, the 11S1 also has less dithering noise in dark scenes than any DLP I've seen, especially with HD DVD as a source. Whether it's the black vacuum of space in Apollo 13 and Serenity, or the dim, naturalistic lighting in the Gem saloon in HBO's Deadwood the Marantz not only extends well into black for great dynamic range, it's as clean and noise free as I've seen from digital projection.

How about the color fidelity of this projector, compared to Marantz projectors past? The VP-11S1 deftly avoids the nuclear greens that too many digital displays still exhibit, but the flesh tones look very slightly less natural to me. Maybe TJN and his Photo Research will pull my pants down on this one, but subjectively I have a slight preference for the colors I see from the VP-12S4, but to be certain I didn't see anything I'd trade a million pixels for.

Another thing worth mentioning in this ever-changing day and age is that this projector can and does accept a 1080p input. This I confirmed courtesy of Samsung's BD-P1000 Blu-ray Disc player, which arrived jus a few days before I wrapped up this review, and outputs 1080p/60 from Blu-ray. Marantz specifies that the projector will also accept the 1080/24p output option expected on other upcoming Blu-ray players (the Samsung does not offer a 1080p/24 output), though they are converted to 1080/60p by the projector. According to Marantz's Dan Miller there is already a firmware update in the works that will allow the VP-11S1 to show 1080/24p sources at 48fps, which as a multiple of film's 24fps eliminate the temporal distortions that occur in converting to 60fps.

In the limited switching back and forth between 1080i and 1080p I was able to do with the Samsung didn't reveal any significant differences between the two. The Gennum chip set is capable of deinterlacing 1080i material and also performing inverse telecine with film source 1080i. In other words, at least at 60fps, 1080i on the Marantz looks every bit as good as the 1080p we've seen so far. I'll let you know what I see at 48fps when I see it.

The White Elephant
Obviously the vacuum in my experience is Sony's VPL-VW100 ($10K), better known simply as the "Ruby." I've not experienced this projector except at trade shows, and so like you I'm left to parse my experiences here with TJN's review and measurement of that projector.

On the surface of it, the Sony is a three-chip projector with no color wheel. While I didn't notice the VP-11S1's color wheel, there's no question that having it out of the equation entirely is best. And whatever performance differences might exist between the two, the Ruby leaves a lot of scratch on the table for you to put into your system somewhere else, or pay at least a part of a year of college for one of your kids!

To be fair to Marantz, $15-$20K seems to be setting up as the standard price range for single-chip 1080p DLPs. It's not overpriced in that sense. But one still has to acknowledge that there is a heralded competitor out there for substantially less.

Conclusion
While the price, at a full $9K more than the VP-12S4, gives me some hesitation (perhaps based on pure jealousy!), I have no reservations whatsoever about any aspect of the VP-11S1's performance. Its few flaws are utterly marginalized buy its top-flight performance in all respects.

It's nothing short of dazzling with the best sources, but it's also remarkably consistent across all formats, resolutions, and scenery, light and dark or a wicked mix of the two. I simply couldn't find a chink in this projector's armor without going all the way down to 480i/p via component video, which is now officially "legacy" video.

And that's an important note. There's more HD than ever available on all forms of broadcast, and now from not one but two disc formats. 1920x1080 is the most prevalent form of HD on all formats, and 1080p projectors like this are the only way to extract every ounce of video goodness from these sources. Sad but true, and coming from a man who just spent his own money on a 720p projector! It's still HD at 720p, but it's not the top of the food chain, and those extra pixels do matter.

Using this projector as I have for the last few months to compare HD programs to one another this projector consistently revealed all differences, big and small. This is what the term "reference quality" means, and that's why the VP-11S1 now has the kind of love letter review that so few components earn. Well done!

Highs

• Dazzling, reference quality image with resolution to spare
• Excellent blacks/contrast
• Accepts 1080p sources
• Killer ergonomics and remote, with straightforward menus and features

Lows
• Runs loud and hot
• Soft, noisy performance with 480i/p component
• Expensive


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manufacturer: Marantz
model: VP-11S1 DLP Projector
category: Video (Processors, Projectors...)
review date: July 2006
reviewed by: Brian Kahn

Marantz VP-11S1 DLP Projector

Introduction
These are exciting days as the Marantz VP-11S1 is the first consumer 1920 x 1080 DLP front projector on the market. Retailing for $19,999, the VP-11S1 certainly isn’t inexpensive, but if it keeps pace with the precedent set by the VP-12 series, it should be worth it. We will see below how it fares in its attempts to fulfill the expectations set forth by its VP-12 predecessors.

The VP-11 builds upon the VP-12 series, using its rigid, noise-deadening cast-aluminum chassis (which can use the same ceiling mount as the VP-12S4) and 200-watt DC super high pressure, 2,000-hour lamp. The processor is the 10-bit Gennum VXP 9351, the next generation of the VXP 9350 processor used in the VP-12S4. Like its predecessor, the VXP 9351 features Gennum’s TruMotion HD, FineEdge, RealityExpansion and FidelityEngine technologies, which were described in AVRev.com’s earlier review of the VP-12S4. The VXP 9351 is twice as efficient as the VXP 9350, which enables it to better handle the demands imposed by the VP-11S1’s 1920 by 1080 resolution. The VXP 9351 is in fact said to be able to process images up to 2,048 by 2,048.

The new 1920 by 1080 Texas Instruments DLP chip does more to improve upon the prior 720p chips than just increase resolution. The new DLP chip features smaller, more reflective mirrors with a higher fill factor (smaller gap between pixels). Dual drivers, used in parallel, control the new chip, which is said to provide more precise control and enable 12-bit gamma processing for four times the resolution in gradations (smoother color transitions) and over 68 billion colors.

The VP-11S1 continues the Marantz tradition of utilizing custom optics by Konica-Minolta. The VP-11S1 has two lens options, each with a wider zoom range than the VP-12 lenses, so that the VP-11S1 can cover a similar zoom range with two lenses, rather than three. The lenses are based upon the VP-12S4 lens, with refinements for better peripheral focus and reduced chromatic aberrations. As before, the lens assembly is completely sealed to increase performance. The extended distance lens will be available later this year. It is also worth noting that at any given distance and zoom setting, the VP-11 will generate a larger image than the VP-12, due to the larger size of the 1920 by 1080 chip.

The projector maintains vertical shift ability, which enables the projector to be mounted at approximately one-third of the screen height above or below the screen. A new option will let the VP-11S1 take advantage of the current rage of constant height 2:35:1 capabilities. With this option, a special lens will slide into place and Vertical Stretch Mode will engage when 2:35:1 movies are played, which will give the projector the ability to stretch the image to use the full resolution of the chip on the actual image, rather than the black bars. This option is not yet available, but will feature an anamorphic lens that will slide into place when an extra-wide ratio image is being projected.

The brightness is roughly equivalent to the VP-12S4 with 700 ANSI lumens, with the iris at f 3.0 and 600 at f 6.0. However, the contrast ratio is significantly improved over the previous VP-12S4, with a reported contrast ratio of 6500:1 with the iris set at f 6.0. The VP-11S1 also features a large 98mm seven-segment color wheel spinning at 6x / 10,800 rpm; this higher speed is 20 percent faster than the VP-12S4 and greatly reduces the potential of the rainbow effect, which occurs in single-chip projector designs when the eye can detect color break-up. The color wheel itself is a seven-segment wheel. There are two segments each of red, green and blue; the seventh segment is green with a neutral density filter. This custom color wheel allows much more accurate reproduction of green hues, which elicits a more sensitive response than other colors in most people. This custom new color wheel achieves and even surpasses the effect of the VP-12S4’s ORCA filter, with a wider color gamut and more accurate colors. To correct the generally weaker red output, Marantz boosts the output of the lamp when the red segment is in front of the light, increasing luminance by 25 percent. A large, high-speed color wheel has the potential for creating a lot of noise. Marantz has effectively dealt with this potential problem by utilizing a fluid dynamic bearing motor, such as those used in computer hard drives.

The cabinet and rear panel are nearly identical to the VP-12S4. My sample was colored a pearlescent off-white, with a dark gray bezel that surrounds the large lens assembly, which is offset just to the left of center. I have been told that black cases will be an option. The cabinet top features the lens shift, status lights and other flush-mounted controls and the back panel has a lit input/output panel that features two HDMI terminals, two multi-scan component video terminals, two trigger outputs, an IEC power cord, remote in and out, composite video, S-Video, RGB/HD (via D-Sub 15 pin) and, lastly, an RS-232C port. The entire cabinet measures approximately 16 inches wide, 19 inches deep and just over six inches tall without the adjustable leveling feet. The VP11S1 weighs in at 28.6 pounds, the same as the VP-11S1. The remote control is a new fully backlit model that I found quite easy to navigate. As the chassis is nearly identical to the VP-12 series, the VP-11S1 will fit the ceiling mount for the VP-12.

Set-up
I placed the VP-11S1 in the same place my VP-12S4 resided, which was on a high stand between my two couches that brought it to the level of the screen bottom, slightly behind and between the viewing positions. In this position, I was easily able to adjust the projector to obtain a larger image than the one available from my VP-12S4 with the medium-throw lens. The VP-11S1 has no noticeable light spill and was no louder and possibly slightly quieter than the VP-12S4.

I continued to use the screen that Stewart Film Company was kind enough to lend me. The screen I chose was their new GreyHawk Reference, which has a gain of .95. This screen material has a neutral gray material, which helps with reproducing darker images, a traditional problem area for DLP projectors, although I found that when the room light was well-controlled, excellent images were obtainable on swatches of white screen material as well.

Video connections were made both directly to sources and to a Halcro SSP-100 audio video processor (review forthcoming). The VP-11S1 was connected directly to a Marantz DV-9600 DVD player and a Toshiba HD-XA1 HD DVD player. The DV-9600 was set to output 480i via an Accell HDMI cable and the HD-XA1 was set to output a 1080i signal via a Monster Cable M1000 HDMI cable. The Halcro was connected to the VP-11S1 via Monster Cable Ultra Series THX 1000 component video cables.

I used both Digital Video Essentials and the Monster Cable/ISF calibration disc to calibrate the projector. The Standard setting was very close to what I ended up with and the adjustments were simple to make. Anyone familiar with these calibration discs shouldn’t have too much difficulty in getting the VP-11S1 dialed in short order.

There are 18 picture profiles, three each for Theater, Dynamic and Standard, and nine user profiles. Each profile has five gamma presets and Theater, Dynamic and Standard modes for eight configurations. In addition, there are many fine adjustment menus, including color temperature, aspect ratio, black level adjustment, gamma and more. Marantz will be offering software on its website to create custom gamma curves as well. The professional calibrator will have numerous tools and options available to obtain the best picture quality for any situation.

Watching the VP-11S1:

DirecTV High Definition
I started off by watching high-definition episodes of Alias on TNT fed to the VP-11S1 in 1080i via component video. I was fortunate to be able to watch this with the video editor who edited the program for TNT’s HD channel. He noted that the colors were accurate, with the proper saturation. I was happy to see proper color saturation in the VP-11S1’s image as it is especially important for realism and is not often achieved by many display devices. Often cable or satellite HD feeds can look compressed because of the provider. The VP-11S1 did a remarkable job processing and displaying the image so that it reproduced the image intended by its creator which after all is what we are aiming for with an accurate display device. To have a second opinion from someone who literally made the HD feed for the show helps in an overall evaluation of the device.

I watched Pearl Harbor on ABC, which suffered from some compression artifacts that made the explosions look a bit artificial, but gave me plenty of opportunity to see how the projector would do with quick pans in the air combat scenes. Pans were generally smooth, with only slight blurring, although I found the pans on a NASCAR race I watched later that day on the high-definition Discovery HD Theater to be just as smooth with much more detail. While I am generally not a NASCAR fan, I was captivated while watching the race. The detail and depth of the picture was amazing, as were the vibrant colors. While just about any display device can crank up the saturation, the VP-11S1 was able to provide intense color saturation where appropriate without any loss of realism where it is not. I especially noticed this while watching on of the HD Net travel shows that was in part filmed in an area near my home. The area features some fairly muted desert areas as well as some vibrant landscaping and buildings, all were produced with accurate color fidelity and saturation. Detail, was as you would expect, phenomenal with no artifacts or jagged edges from the deinterlacing performed by the projector’s Gennum processor.

I was also able to catch a few minutes of an evening baseball game on the ESPN channel. The 720p feed was crystal clear and vibrant with the Gennum processor in the projector doing the scaling. Both Jerry Del Colliano and Adrienne Maxwell rave about the Sunday night baseball and football feeds from ESPN as the best-looking, week in and week out. Picture noise was minimal and I had no problems making out details, such as wrinkles in the White Soxs’ dark jerseys, a normally problematic area for DLP projectors. The depth of image clarity allowed me to easily make out features of individuals in the crowd, even when the camera was focused on the players. The projector again did a great job with the quick pans without giving up any detail and without any jagged edges. On the slower pans, such as those of the players running the bases, I was easily able to make out the details in the grass and dirt surfaces. While the 720p feed would theoretically look better in a 720p native rate projector such as Marantz’s own VP-12S4, I feel that the image was even better with the VP-11S1. The VP-11S1 excellent image processing let the projector’s higher contrast ratio and improved performance with dark scenes really shine through.

DirecTV Standard Definition
Regular 480i TV images were noticeably better than on the VP-12S4, but not nearly as good as HD (isn’t it always the case?). Noise reduction was good, but some video noise was visible and images were generally soft when compared to the high definition feeds, as though the veil went back over my eyes. The scaling was much better in that artifacts were minimal and the jagged edges greatly reduced from the prior processor which itself was pretty good.

Unfortunately, no matter how good the scaling is, there is only so much video data in a standard-definition signal; coupled with the compression necessary for efficient broadcast, the raw data is severely compromised. The VP-11S1 did an admirable job with these signals, but with the limited raw data, the image is bound to look a bit soft. This is not a knock on this projector or its Gennum VXP processor, as I have seen this on nearly every processor demonstration showing how that particular processor can make a standard-definition signal look “almost like HD.” The key word here is “almost.” Some processors do better than others, but SD is not HD and it never will be.

HD DVD
I was fortunate to obtain a HD DVD player the week before the VP-11S1 arrived. One of the first movies that I watched was Serenity (Universal Studios Home Video), as it was reputed to have great video quality. In one of the opening scenes in the interior of a ship, it was fairly dark, yet there was good detail with an extremely low level of noise and clear differentiation between colors. There were numerous dark scenes that re-affirmed my initial impressions of the VP-11S1’s ability to reproduce accurate, low-light level scenes when fed a good source. The chase scene through the desert had vibrant colors and I noted increased contrast in the mastering and shift in color balance from the prior scenes.

The Phantom of the Opera’s (Warner Home Video) opening auction scene demonstrated an increased clarity of spider webs in the opera house, along with great depth when compared to my recent viewings of this movie on DVD and high-definition DirecTV. This sense of picture depth was reinforced on the deep, large sets and the layers of detail within. The movie is mostly in color, with a few black and white scenes. Both were rendered with depth and detail that made them almost three-dimensional. Colors were extremely beautiful, lush and vibrant, showing off the costumes and elaborate sets. The color saturation was very good, much better than on most single-chip machines. Especially impressive was the lack of contouring, providing natural-looking color transitions. I noted that the top and bottom two rows of pixels of the picture just inside the black bars seemed to have greatly reduced color saturation. I noticed this on slightly half of the discs viewed and believe it likely to be an artifact of mastering. Overall, this HD DVD is a reference grade HD DVD, at least among the first wave of HD DVD releases.

Apollo 13 (Universal Studios Home Video), like the other features, was extremely clear and detailed. The disc had a slight grain to it, which I presume is due in part to the older masters for this release. Even so, it is noticeably cleaner and more detailed than prior releases of this movie. I only noticed some slight blurring of the metal gangways that swing away during the launch. The colors were much richer than the DVD and laserdisc versions that are also in my collection. The improvement runs from one extreme to the other, from the depth and texture of the blacks of space to the vibrant color of the flames and bystanders’ outfits in the takeoff scene. The color rendition of the projector almost scared me at times, as it seemed that I was in the middle of a 1960s living room with those horrible colors that were (this time, unfortunately) accurately reproduced by the VP-11S1.

The difference between DVD and HD DVD is not subtle. Pans on all of the HD DVDs and 1080i DirecTV feeds were extremely smooth and with noticeably more detail than previously available. The improvement in detail is like removing the proverbial veil, or making that final focus adjustment that brings the level of detail from good to excellent.

Traditional DVDs
I watched DVDs through both 480i HDMI and component inputs and generally preferred the HDMI input upon which my observations are based. I played The Fifth Element (Columbia/TriStar Home Entertainment), a movie that I used in reviewing the VP-12S4, and had seen in more video demonstrations than I could possibly count. The opening scene shows good detail in the desert pans and the pyramid’s interior. The reconstruction of the Leeloo scene is usually good for demonstrating detail and color. While impressive, after having watched everything I could in 1080i (couldn’t get my hands on a 1080p source), 480i DVDs look slightly soft and muted. As I expected, I could easily see the detail of room’s gold foil walls. The colors were as good as I seen on a DVD sourced image, with the vibrant hair and gold walls on the one hand and the muted but neutral grays from the hallways Leeloo runs though during her escape on the other. The often-used segment where Leeloo is standing on the building ledge, looking down through layers of traffic, was reproduced with great detail. Leeloo’s face was extremely clear and the sense of depth, while not equal to that available on HD DVD, was still very impressive. The VP-11S1’s performance with standard DVD’s was substantially improved from its predecessor. The processor did a great job with upconverting and deinterlacing the 480i to 1080p, with very few artifacts. The projector was able to extract more color and picture detail from DVDs than any other projector I have watched DVDs through. If I hadn’t already seen the amount of color and picture detail that the VP-11S1 was capable of with HD-DVD, I would have been impressed. Knowing that the projector was capable of doing more color and picture detail but would not artificially impose it was even more impressive.

Test Discs
I played the Silicon Optix test DVD through my Marantz DV-9600 hooked up directly to the projector, bypassing my system to provide the cleanest signal path. The DVD player is one of the few that can output 480i via HDMI. This is the setting I utilized so that all processing would be done by the VP-11S1. The projector, not surprisingly, had no problems reproducing the full available 480i resolution and reproduced the color bar test pattern without any flicker. The color and shade gradations were smooth. Given its good performance with deinterlacing real video signals I was somewhat surprised that the VP-11S1 did only okay to good on the “jaggies” tests, doing slightly better than its predecessor, but the flag test looked extremely good. We note that this was a specific decision on behalf of Marantz in that a further reduction of “jaggies” would sacrifice detail. I can’t argue with this as “jaggies” weren’t noticeable in real world viewing but the high level of detail was appreciated. Despite the large difference between the 480i source and the 1080p image, the projector’s VXP 9351 did a fairly good job retaining detail while scaling, passing the detail tests. The noise reduction tests indicate good performance, but there is nothing that can get rid of all the noise from a mediocre source. Like its predecessor, the VP-11S1 did well with the 3:2 pulldown and cadence tests. While I did not have a HQV-equipped processor to compare to the Gennum, I found the Gennum processing to be at least the equal of HQV-equipped projectors and Rubys I have recently had the opportunity to view in local stores.



Downside
Standard-definition television is revealed as being incredibly mediocre after watching good high-definition video through the VP-11S1. In order to obtain the full benefits available from this or any other 1920 by 1080 projector, you need sufficient well-mastered high-definition material to feed it and, right now, there simply isn’t very much available on any pre-recorded medium.

Marantz’s lack of a dead pixel warranty causes me slight concern. Anyone spending this amount of money expects and deserves a projector with a perfect DLP panel. While Marantz doesn’t have the zero dead pixel warranty that some other manufacturers offer, I have yet to hear of anyone who has had a dead pixel that Marantz refused to take care of under warranty. I would just like to have it in writing.

Conclusion
This is simply one of the best consumer projectors on the market at this time. Purchasing a projector is a major decision and I would recommend taking a close look at several projectors before making your decision. Before I saw the VP-11S1, I was a bit skeptical of the first generation of 1920 by 1080 DLP projectors, but I must admit the picture is excellent and I wouldn’t hesitate to buy this projector. Without question, it hangs with, if not on some levels out-performs, the likes of the Sony “Ruby” and the JVC HD10k. Quite simply, as a reviewer I have had the opportunity to see many projectors at many demonstrations but I have yet to see any projector, at any price, consistently perform as well as the VP-11S1. Sure, the next generation will likely be better, as is always the case, but this projector is a revolutionary rather than evolutionary improvement from the prior generation and I would want to enjoy its amazing images now rather than wait to see what next year will bring. Personally, I am going to put my money where my mouth is and buy the review unit.

reference software: Serenity (HD DVD) • Phantom Of The Opera (HD DVD) • Apollo 13 (HD DVD) • The Fifth Element (DVD) • HQV Benchmark (DVD)
manufacturer: Marantz America, Inc.
 
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