c3m+ 6gb5 or 6b4+gm70
น้าอ้อนแอม c3m มีสรรพคุณอย่างไรบ้างครับ อยากทราบครับ 
เทียบกับ EF86 ได้มั๊ยครับ แต่ว่า... EF86 ผมก็ยังไม่เคยลอง 
Information about C3g, C3m, C3o.
Perhaps the best small signal pentodes ever made.
The "3" I believe is to show they are third generation post tubes. These were low noise audio tubes, made by Valvo, Siemens and Telefunken, exclusively for the German post. SEL (later ITT-SEL) provided their telephone electronics to the German post, and the tubes were private branded for ITT, but still made by either Siemens or TFK. (As they all are). The TFK have a nice logo stamped into the metal. Most have a banderols on it, with a series number, but not all of them have this. These were not for sale for other customers. They were used in repeater amplifiers for long distance telephony.
Admitted, in the steel can they are not glowing so nice, but once you feel these tubes get warm, you start to see them as tubes also.
Who can remember the 1970's with a long distance call from Europe to the USA? A call cost you 5$ per minute, and still the voice on the other end was not loud enough, there was a lot of noise on the line, and a one second delay. So you started to speak very loud into the phone, but that didn't help much, and I remember people in the offices would (try to) look important, by shouting into the phone with long distance calls.
Anyway this is not what good signal transmission is about, but it was the limits of what was possible with ocean cables. If there is one enemy of a long distance call, it's low signal and noise. The problem is, a long distance telephone cable is a noise generator, and an attenuator too. So after a certain length, the noise gets more and signal gets less. This limits the length of a telephone line, and simply amplifying the low signal that comes out, would not help since you can't get rid of the noise. So the only solution is, to re-amplify the signal before it gets too noisy. So they increase the maximum length of a cable if by putting in repeaters, that increases the signal before the signal to noise ratio gets really bad. Imagine the trouble with repeaters in salt water, with a 4000 meters column of water pressure on it, inaccessible for ever, somewhere between Hawaii and Paris, on the ocean bottom.
Going further back to the 1960's, this had to be done with tube equipment. Of course they tried to use as little repeaters as possible. The ideal repeater amplifier adds no noise, has no distortion, draws no current, is very small, and needs no service. A partial solution you get from adding an auto transformer (Pupin coils) at certain distances, but there comes a moment where you need active amplification. So the engineers desired the "ideal" tube. However these ideal requirements do not go together well: High Amplification, low noise, long life, no distortion, small size, low filament power. As most of you know, a tube with more heater temperature will have better electrical performance, and more lifetime, but uses more power too. So the solution is a bit more complicated than you might think. Tubes that meet all of the requirements are masterpieces of design, and non-commercial since they are EXPENSIVE. The price of C3g was 295DM for one tube. So that's about 200$ for one tube. In those days you could buy a new car for 5000$. So a standard 50-Pack of those had the price of two new cars. Obviously, cost was no issue with those, and that's logical since with those you could for instance work with a cable that had a bit higher loss, and add repeaters inside to compensate that. Imagine 1000km (1 Million meter) of cable can be made 20% lower cost, who cares if the tube that makes this possible costs 200$. This is the world of C3g, C3m, C3o.
I think most of the secrets of how to make C3-tubes are gone with the wind, but at least we can still buy those miracles of tube art from new old stock. If the days come where we only can buy used one, it's no problem too, since the end-of-life is clearly specified in the data sheets. So you can always tell if the tubes are still good. I found the Funke W19 tester very reliable in picking out used tubes with good lifetime in it.
These German post tubes were first designed in the heads of the amplifier engineers, that finally wanted to have something without compromise. The engineers just said, what must an ideal tube have, and then let the tube factories try to make it.
Highest amplification
Lowest low noise
Lowest microphonics effects
Higher lifetime than commercial tubes
Stand-by possibility (very few tubes have that)
Metal shielding
If a pentode is triode connected, it must have curves
a real very good triode
Fully complete data sheet, leaving NO DATA out.
Optional: Individual series number on each tube
NOTE that in the 1980's when tubes were obsoleted, there was a lifetime-buy option by Siemens for the German post. It stretched over a few years. It is from this period that BIG lots of tubes were made, and just stored for later service of old hardware. Because of the high manufacturing numbers, these were very good quality. Popular tubes were C3g, C3m, and also Siemens ECC801S of remarkable good quality. Probably many other tubes as well, it's just these three types I ran across myself. Something similar happened in the USA, and from that period many very good 6922, 5687, 12AT7 and 5751 are around. These are those tubes with a barcode label on them.
Then, the whole hardware developed so quickly after the digital multiplexing was used, and analog repeaters were taken out of service everywhere sooner than expected. And so, a six digit number of those tubes were stored and never used. Through the years these were sold, and it seems the German government stocks of C3g and C3m have dried up since 2005 or so. However, these tubes are always somewhere, and find the path to their end user.
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วางตัวหลอดไว้แล้วหรือยังว่าจะใช้หลอดเบอร์อะไรบ้าง
c3m+ 6gb5 or 6b4+gm70 ครับพี่ ตรงภาคกลางนี่แหละปัญหา ต้องพึ่งพี่แน่ๆๆครับ เพลตโช้คดี หรือ อาร์เพลตดี หรืออินเตอร์ดี
นนี้กะทำพันเองหมดแหละครับ อย่างที่เคยเรียนพี่ไปตอนแรกกๆของครบ ขาดตั ความรู้ และเวลาครับ
ใช่ 10M45 CCS ครับ ใส่ heatsink ใหญ่ๆหน่อย แนะนำให้ใส่ 2 ตัวขนานกันจะได้ใช้ heatsink สองชิ้นได้ แต่ต้อง match กระแสของทั้งสองตัวให้ดีๆครับ
หรือถ้าไม่สะดวก ใช้ R plate ค่าประมาณ 5K ขึ้นไป ติด heatsink ใหญ่ๆก็ใช้ได้แล้วครับ ผม test ไว้ที่ link นี้ http://www.thaidiyaudio.net/index.php/topic,3330.0.html
ยังคัรบ ขาดงบ ครับ แต่สิ้นปีนี้แหละครับต้องสำเร็จครับพี่ รอพี่ช่วยผมด้วย
ยินดีครับหากช่วยได้ ผมเชื่อว่าต้องออกมาดีแน่นอน ความตั้งใจมากขนาดนี้
วางตัวหลอดไว้แล้วหรือยังว่าจะใช้หลอดเบอร์อะไรบ้าง
c3m+ 6gb5 or 6b4+gm70 ครับพี่ ตรงภาคกลางนี่แหละปัญหา ต้องพึ่งพี่แน่ๆๆครับ เพลตโช้คดี หรือ อาร์เพลตดี หรืออินเตอร์ดี
นนี้กะทำพันเองหมดแหละครับ อย่างที่เคยเรียนพี่ไปตอนแรกกๆของครบ ขาดตั ความรู้ และเวลาครับ
ใช่ 10M45 CCS ครับ ใส่ heatsink ใหญ่ๆหน่อย แนะนำให้ใส่ 2 ตัวขนานกันจะได้ใช้ heatsink สองชิ้นได้ แต่ต้อง match กระแสของทั้งสองตัวให้ดีๆครับ
หรือถ้าไม่สะดวก ใช้ R plate ค่าประมาณ 5K ขึ้นไป ติด heatsink ใหญ่ๆก็ใช้ได้แล้วครับ ผม test ไว้ที่ link นี้ http://www.thaidiyaudio.net/index.php/topic,3330.0.html
สองตัวเลยเหรอครับ ช่วงนี้ของขาดตลาดหายากจังครับ ขอบคุณพี่มากๆๆครับ ผมติด6gb5ก็เพราะพี่นี่แหละครับ
